<!DOCTYPE html><HTML lang="en"> <head><meta charset="utf-8"> <title>Todman (Theo) - Thesis - Constitution View - Objections (Theo Todman's Book Collection - Paper Abstracts) </title> <link href="../../TheosStyle.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"><link rel="shortcut icon" href="../../TT_ICO.png" /></head> <BODY> <CENTER> <div id="header"><HR><h1>Theo Todman's Web Page - Paper Abstracts</h1><HR></div><A name="Top"></A> <TABLE class = "Bridge" WIDTH=950> <tr><th><A HREF = "../../PaperSummaries/PaperSummary_17/PaperSummary_17795.htm">Thesis - Constitution View - Objections</A></th></tr> <tr><th><A HREF = "../../Authors/T/Author_Todman (Theo).htm">Todman (Theo)</a></th></tr> <tr><th>Source: </th></tr> <tr><th>Paper - Abstract</th></tr> </TABLE> </CENTER> <P><CENTER><TABLE class = "Bridge" WIDTH=400><tr><td><A HREF = "../../PaperSummaries/PaperSummary_17/PaperSummary_17795.htm">Paper Summary</A></td><td><A HREF = "../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_26.htm">Link to Latest Write-Up Note</A></td></tr></TABLE></CENTER></P> <hr><P><FONT COLOR = "0000FF"><ul type="disc"><li>This pseudo-Paper is intended as the mechanism to record time spent on the Note '<a name="1"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_26.htm">Constitution View - Objections</A><SUP>1</SUP>' during my Thesis research, as from 2011. </li><li>For the actual time recorded, click on "Paper Summary" above. </li></ul><FONT COLOR = "0000FF"><hr><br><B><u><U><A HREF="#On-Page_Link_P17795_2">Write-up</A></U><SUB>2</SUB><a name="On-Page_Return_P17795_2"></A></u> (as at 06/02/2018 23:35:31): Constitution View - Objections</B><BR><br><u><U><A HREF="#On-Page_Link_P17795_3">Plug Note</A></U><SUB>3</SUB><a name="On-Page_Return_P17795_3"></A></u><ul type="disc"><li>The two obvious issues are:- <ol type="i"><li>The  too many minds objection (otherwise known as the  <a name="2"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_8/Notes_872.htm">thinking animal argument</A><SUP>4</SUP> ), and </li><li>The  <a name="3"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_71.htm">fetus problem</A><SUP>5</SUP> </li></ol></li><li><b>Thinking Animals</b><ul type="square"><li>In saying that Theo is a human <a name="4"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_30.htm">animal</A><SUP>6</SUP> and that also that Theo is a <a name="5"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_9.htm">person</A><SUP>7</SUP> that is ontologically distinct from, and merely <a name="6"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_62.htm">constituted by</A><SUP>8</SUP>, the human animal, <a name="32"></a><A HREF = "../../Authors/O/Author_Olson (Eric).htm">Eric Olson</A> argues that we have too many thinkers and therefore the <a name="7"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_25.htm">constitution view</A><SUP>9</SUP> is false. </li><li>I don t like this argument, in that the form would prove too much. I see analogies with various <a name="8"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_85.htm">mereological</A><SUP>10</SUP> arguments:-<BR>&rarr; <a name="33"></a><A HREF = "../../Authors/U/Author_Unger (Peter).htm">Peter Unger</A> s argument that  there are no ordinary things , <BR>&rarr; The <a name="9"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_11/Notes_1172.htm">Sorites</A><SUP>11</SUP> arguments against the existence of material objects with parts, and maybe with <BR>&rarr; <a name="10"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_11/Notes_1169.htm">Tib/Tibbles</A><SUP>12</SUP>, and <BR>&rarr; <a name="11"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_8/Notes_871.htm">Dion/Theon</A><SUP>13</SUP> <BR>All these arguments seem to have the same form  there are alleged to be too many co-located items, leading to the denial of some seemingly obvious premise. </li><li>Yet maybe I accept a version of this in disliking immaterial souls (again, too many thinkers  if the brain thinks, why do we need a soul that thinks as well). However, the degree of ontological distinctness between  the self and its brain is greater than that between the person and the human being that (maybe temporarily) constitutes it. I will reconsider this collection of arguments in due course. </li></ul></li><li><b>Fetus Problem</b> <ul type="square"><li>This is the question whether I was ever a Fetus. According to the Constitution View, I was not, as the Fetus had no <a name="12"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_22.htm">First Person Perspective</A><SUP>14</SUP> (FPP), not even a rudimentary one and since the FPP is constitutive / individuative of me.</li><li>But, if I was not the Fetus, where did I come from?</li><li>I m not hugely impressed by this argument either. It s also a problem for Animalism (it is said)  is the early fetus an animal? Was the fetus a proper part of the mother? </li></ul></li><li>So, should I accept the CV? I think not. I am an animal, and <a name="13"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_1/Notes_112.htm">objections to Animalism</A><SUP>15</SUP> can be overcome. The whole idea of Constitution as conceived of by the CV is very odd, and the CV was invented to provide the hope of <a name="14"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_97.htm">resurrection</A><SUP>16</SUP>. I need to justify these assertions, of course!</li><li>Works on this topic that <U><A HREF="#On-Page_Link_P17795_17">I ve actually read</A></U><SUB>17</SUB><a name="On-Page_Return_P17795_17"></A>, <U><A HREF="#On-Page_Link_P17795_18">include</A></U><SUB>18</SUB><a name="On-Page_Return_P17795_18"></A> the following:- <ol type="i"><li><a name="34"></a>"<A HREF = "../../BookSummaries/BookSummary_03/BookPaperAbstracts/BookPaperAbstracts_3304.htm">Baker (Lynne Rudder), Etc. - E-Symposium on 'Persons & Bodies: A Constitution View'</A>", Baker Etc<BR>&rarr; <a name="16"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_00/Abstract_458.htm">Garrett (Brian) - The Story of I: Some Comments on L.R.Baker 'Persons & Bodies'</A>", Garrett<BR>&rarr; <a name="17"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_00/Abstract_459.htm">Noonan (Harold) - Arguments Against Animalism: Comments on L.R.Baker 'Persons & Bodies'</A>", Noonan<BR>&rarr; <a name="18"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_00/Abstract_460.htm">Olson (Eric) - Thinking Animals and the Constitution View</A>", Olson</li><li><a name="19"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_05/Abstract_5196.htm">Baker (Lynne Rudder) - Brief Reply to Rosenkrantz's Comments on my 'The Ontological Status of Persons'</A>", Baker</li><li><a name="20"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_03/Abstract_3681.htm">Baker (Lynne Rudder) - The Coherence Of the Constitution View of Human Persons</A>", Baker</li><li><a name="21"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_07/Abstract_7734.htm">Olson (Eric) - Thinking Animals and the Reference of 'I'</A>", Olson</li><li><a name="22"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_05/Abstract_5195.htm">Rosenkrantz (Gary) - Reflections on the Ontological Status of Persons</A>", Rosenkrantz</li><li><a name="23"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_19/Abstract_19852.htm">Sider (Ted) - Review of Lynne Rudder Baker, Persons and Bodies</A>", Sider</li></ol></li><li>A reading list (where not covered elsewhere) might start with:- <ol type="i"><li><a name="24"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_05/Abstract_5636.htm">Baker (Lynne Rudder) - Replies to Zimmerman, Rea & Pereboom</A>", Baker<BR>&rarr; <a name="25"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_05/Abstract_5633.htm">Zimmerman (Dean) - Persons and Bodies: Constitution Without Mereology?</A>", Zimmerman<BR>&rarr; <a name="26"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_05/Abstract_5634.htm">Rea (Michael) - Lynne Baker on Material Constitution</A>", Rea<BR>&rarr; <a name="27"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_05/Abstract_5635.htm">Pereboom (Derek) - On Baker's Persons and Bodies</A>", Peerboom</li><li><a name="28"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_05/Abstract_5984.htm">Burke (Michael) - Persons and Bodies: How to Avoid the New Dualism</A>", Burke</li><li><a name="35"></a>"<A HREF = "../../BookSummaries/BookSummary_02/BookPaperAbstracts/BookPaperAbstracts_2441.htm">De Waal (Frans) - The Ape and the Sushi Master: Cultural Reflections of a Primatologist</A>", <U><A HREF="#On-Page_Link_P17795_19">De Waal</A></U><SUB>19</SUB><a name="On-Page_Return_P17795_19"></A></li><li><a name="29"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_07/Abstract_7744.htm">Olson (Eric) - Review of Lynne Baker's 'Persons And Bodies'</A>", Olson</li><li><a name="30"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_00/Abstract_460.htm">Olson (Eric) - Thinking Animals and the Constitution View</A>", Olson</li><li><a name="31"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_12/Abstract_12012.htm">Olson (Eric) - What Are We? Constitution</A>", Olson</li></ol></li><li>This is mostly a <a name="15"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_7/Notes_737.htm">place-holder</A><SUP>20</SUP>. </li></ul><BR><HR><BR><U><B>In-Page Footnotes</U></B><a name="On-Page_Link_P17795_2"></A><BR><BR><U><A HREF="#On-Page_Return_P17795_2"><B>Footnote 2</A></B></U>: <ul type="disc"><li>This is the write-up as it was when this Abstract was last output, with text as at the timestamp indicated (06/02/2018 23:35:31). </li><li><A HREF = "../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_26.htm">Link to Latest Write-Up Note</A>. </li></ul><a name="On-Page_Link_P17795_3"></A><U><A HREF="#On-Page_Return_P17795_3"><B>Footnote 3</A></B></U>: <ul type="disc"><li>A number of my philosophical Notes are  promissory notes currently only listing the books and papers (if any) I possess on the topic concerned. </li><li>I ve decided to add some text  whether by way of motivation, or something more substantive  for all these identified topics related to my Thesis.</li><li>As I want to do this fairly quickly, the text may be confused or show surprising ignorance. </li><li>The reader (if such exists) will have to bear with me, and display the principle of charity while this footnote exists. </li></ul><a name="On-Page_Link_P17795_17"></A><U><A HREF="#On-Page_Return_P17795_17"><B>Footnote 17</A></B></U>: <ul type="disc"><li>Frequently I ll have made copious marginal annotations, and sometimes have written up a review-note. </li><li>In the former case, I intend to transfer the annotations into electronic form as soon as I can find the time. </li><li>In the latter case, I will have remarked on the fact against the citation, and will integrate the comments into this Note in due course. </li><li>My intention is to incorporate into these Notes comments on material I ve already read rather than engage with unread material at this stage. </li></ul><a name="On-Page_Link_P17795_18"></A><U><A HREF="#On-Page_Return_P17795_18"><B>Footnote 18</A></B></U>: <ul type="disc"><li>I may have read others in between updates of this Note  in which case they will be marked as such in the  References and Reading List below.</li><li>Papers or Books partially read have a rough %age based on the time spent versus the time expected. </li></ul> <a name="On-Page_Link_P17795_19"></A><U><A HREF="#On-Page_Return_P17795_19"><B>Footnote 19</A></B></U>: <ul type="disc"><li>Argues against human uniqueness.</li><li>No doubt there are a number of other books of this ilk. </li></ul> <FONT COLOR = "0000FF"><HR></P><a name="ColourConventions"></a><p><b>Text Colour Conventions (see <A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_10/Notes_1025.htm">disclaimer</a>)</b></p><OL TYPE="1"><LI><FONT COLOR = "0000FF">Blue</FONT>: Text by me; &copy; Theo Todman, 2018</li></OL> <BR><HR><BR><CENTER> <TABLE class = "Bridge" WIDTH=950> <TR><TD WIDTH="30%">&copy; Theo Todman, June 2007 - August 2018.</TD> <TD WIDTH="40%">Please address any comments on this page to <A HREF="mailto:theo@theotodman.com">theo@theotodman.com</A>.</TD> <TD WIDTH="30%">File output: <time datetime="2018-08-13T13:19" pubdate>13/08/2018 13:19:40</time> <br><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_10/Notes_1010.htm">Website Maintenance Dashboard</A></TD></TR> <TD WIDTH="30%"><A HREF="#Top">Return to Top of this Page</A></TD> <TD WIDTH="40%"><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_11/Notes_1140.htm">Return to Theo Todman's Philosophy Page</A></TD> <TD WIDTH="30%"><A HREF="../../index.htm">Return to Theo Todman's Home Page</A></TD> </TR></TABLE></CENTER><HR> </BODY> </HTML>