<!DOCTYPE html><HTML lang="en"> <head><meta charset="utf-8"> <title>Todman (Theo) - Thesis - Taking Persons Seriously (Theo Todman's Book Collection - Paper Abstracts) </title> <link href="../../TheosStyle.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"><link rel="shortcut icon" href="../../TT_ICO.png" /></head> <BODY> <CENTER> <div id="header"><HR><h1>Theo Todman's Web Page - Paper Abstracts</h1><HR></div><A name="Top"></A> <TABLE class = "Bridge" WIDTH=950> <tr><th><A HREF = "../../PaperSummaries/PaperSummary_17/PaperSummary_17892.htm">Thesis - Taking Persons Seriously</A></th></tr> <tr><th><A HREF = "../../Authors/T/Author_Todman (Theo).htm">Todman (Theo)</a></th></tr> <tr><th>Source: </th></tr> <tr><th>Paper - Abstract</th></tr> </TABLE> </CENTER> <P><CENTER><TABLE class = "Bridge" WIDTH=400><tr><td><A HREF = "../../PaperSummaries/PaperSummary_17/PaperSummary_17892.htm">Paper Summary</A></td><td><A HREF = "../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_28.htm">Link to Latest Write-Up Note</A></td></tr></TABLE></CENTER></P> <hr><P><FONT COLOR = "0000FF"><ul type="disc"><li>This pseudo-Paper is intended as the mechanism to record time spent on the Note '<a name="1"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_28.htm">Taking Persons Seriously</A><SUP>1</SUP>' during my Thesis research, as from 2011. </li><li>For the actual time recorded, click on "Paper Summary" above. </li></ul><FONT COLOR = "0000FF"><hr><br><B><u><U><A HREF="#On-Page_Link_P17892_2">Write-up</A></U><SUB>2</SUB><a name="On-Page_Return_P17892_2"></A></u> (as at 25/05/2018 17:35:31): Taking Persons Seriously</B><BR><br><u><U><A HREF="#On-Page_Link_P17892_3">Plug Note</A></U><SUB>3</SUB><a name="On-Page_Return_P17892_3"></A></u><ul type="disc"><li><a name="2"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_8/Notes_869.htm">Baker</A><SUP>4</SUP> accuses <a name="3"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_50.htm">animalists</A><SUP>5</SUP> of  not taking persons seriously .</li><li>But, how seriously <u>should</u> they be taken (in metaphysics)? </li><li>Probably what really matters <a name="4"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_8.htm">ontologically</A><SUP>6</SUP> is the possession of a <a name="5"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_61.htm">conscious</A><SUP>7</SUP> (though not necessarily <a name="6"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_21.htm">self-conscious</A><SUP>8</SUP>) perspective. This is what we must take seriously. </li><li>Baker would argue that there exists an ontological difference at this stage too & but, why is the <a name="7"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_22.htm">first-person perspective</A><SUP>9</SUP> so very important  all that worrying about death? </li><li>Buddhists are trying to lose this sense of <a name="8"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_98.htm">self</A><SUP>10</SUP>. Do all cultures have it? </li><li>See <a name="10"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_06/Abstract_6941.htm">Wong (David) - Relativism</A>" for the Chinese view, which takes the community more seriously than the individual. </li><li>Whether we ought to take moral or rational beings <U>extra</U> seriously is the point at issue.</li><li>For a page of <U><A HREF="#On-Page_Link_P17892_11">Links</A></U><SUB>11</SUB><a name="On-Page_Return_P17892_11"></A> to this Note, <a href="Notes_28_Links.htm">Click here</a>. Unfortunately, for this topic the page is rather diminutive. </li><li>It is difficult, in consequence, to prepare a reading list for this topic, which is touched on  usually parenthetically  in papers dealing with other topics. The lists below are to be treated in that light. Indeed, the only items  apart from Chapter 9 of <a name="17"></a>"<A HREF = "../../BookSummaries/BookSummary_00/BookPaperAbstracts/BookPaperAbstracts_66.htm">Baker (Lynne Rudder) - Persons and Bodies: A Constitution View</A>"  are the papers in <a name="18"></a>"<A HREF = "../../BookSummaries/BookSummary_03/BookPaperAbstracts/BookPaperAbstracts_3304.htm">Baker (Lynne Rudder), Etc. - E-Symposium on 'Persons & Bodies: A Constitution View'</A>", though there are doubtless many other papers by <a name="16"></a><A HREF = "../../Authors/B/Author_Baker (Lynne Rudder).htm">Lynne Rudder Baker</A> that are relevant and which will be picked up as I review them in detail. </li><li>Works on this topic that <U><A HREF="#On-Page_Link_P17892_12">I ve actually read</A></U><SUB>12</SUB><a name="On-Page_Return_P17892_12"></A>, <U><A HREF="#On-Page_Link_P17892_13">include</A></U><SUB>13</SUB><a name="On-Page_Return_P17892_13"></A> the following:- <ol type="i"><li><a name="11"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_03/Abstract_3682.htm">Baker (Lynne Rudder) - In Favour Of the Constitution View</A>", Baker</li><li><a name="12"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_05/Abstract_5134.htm">Baker (Lynne Rudder) - Reply to Garrett</A>", Baker</li><li><a name="13"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_00/Abstract_458.htm">Garrett (Brian) - The Story of I: Some Comments on L.R.Baker 'Persons & Bodies'</A>", Garrett</li><li><a name="14"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_00/Abstract_460.htm">Olson (Eric) - Thinking Animals and the Constitution View</A>", Olson</li><li><a name="15"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_00/Abstract_459.htm">Noonan (Harold) - Arguments Against Animalism: Comments on L.R.Baker 'Persons & Bodies'</A>", Noonan</li></ol></li><li>A reading list (where not covered elsewhere) might start with:- <ol type="i"><li>To be supplied?</li></ol></li><li>This is mostly a <a name="9"></a><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_7/Notes_737.htm">place-holder</A><SUP>14</SUP>. Currently, just see the categorised reading-list. </li></ul><BR><HR><BR><U><B>In-Page Footnotes</U></B><a name="On-Page_Link_P17892_2"></A><BR><BR><U><A HREF="#On-Page_Return_P17892_2"><B>Footnote 2</A></B></U>: <ul type="disc"><li>This is the write-up as it was when this Abstract was last output, with text as at the timestamp indicated (25/05/2018 17:35:31). </li><li><A HREF = "../../Notes/Notes_0/Notes_28.htm">Link to Latest Write-Up Note</A>. </li></ul><a name="On-Page_Link_P17892_3"></A><U><A HREF="#On-Page_Return_P17892_3"><B>Footnote 3</A></B></U>: <ul type="disc"><li>A number of my philosophical Notes are  promissory notes currently only listing the books and papers (if any) I possess on the topic concerned. </li><li>I ve decided to add some text  whether by way of motivation, or something more substantive  for all these identified topics related to my Thesis.</li><li>As I want to do this fairly quickly, the text may be confused or show surprising ignorance. </li><li>The reader (if such exists) will have to bear with me, and display the principle of charity while this footnote exists. </li></ul><a name="On-Page_Link_P17892_11"></A><U><A HREF="#On-Page_Return_P17892_11"><B>Footnote 11</A></B></U>: <ul type="disc"><li>If only a  non-updating run has been made, the links are only one-way  ie. from the page of links to the objects that reference this Note by mentioning the appropriate key-word(s). The links are also only indicative, as they haven t yet been confirmed as relevant. </li><li>Once an updating run has been made, links are both ways, and links from this Notes page (from the  Authors, Books & Papers Citing this Note and  Summary of Note Links to this Page sections) are to the  point of link within the page rather than to the page generically. Links from the  links page remain generic. </li><li>There are two sorts of updating runs  for Notes and other Objects. The reason for this is that Notes are archived, and too many archived versions would be created if this process were repeatedly run. </li></ul> <a name="On-Page_Link_P17892_12"></A><U><A HREF="#On-Page_Return_P17892_12"><B>Footnote 12</A></B></U>: <ul type="disc"><li>Frequently I ll have made copious marginal annotations, and sometimes have written up a review-note. </li><li>In the former case, I intend to transfer the annotations into electronic form as soon as I can find the time. </li><li>In the latter case, I will have remarked on the fact against the citation, and will integrate the comments into this Note in due course. </li><li>My intention is to incorporate into these Notes comments on material I ve already read rather than engage with unread material at this stage. </li></ul><a name="On-Page_Link_P17892_13"></A><U><A HREF="#On-Page_Return_P17892_13"><B>Footnote 13</A></B></U>: <ul type="disc"><li>I may have read others in between updates of this Note  in which case they will be marked as such in the  References and Reading List below.</li><li>Papers or Books partially read have a rough %age based on the time spent versus the time expected. </li></ul> <FONT COLOR = "0000FF"><HR></P><a name="ColourConventions"></a><p><b>Text Colour Conventions (see <A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_10/Notes_1025.htm">disclaimer</a>)</b></p><OL TYPE="1"><LI><FONT COLOR = "0000FF">Blue</FONT>: Text by me; &copy; Theo Todman, 2018</li></OL> <BR><HR><BR><CENTER> <TABLE class = "Bridge" WIDTH=950> <TR><TD WIDTH="30%">&copy; Theo Todman, June 2007 - August 2018.</TD> <TD WIDTH="40%">Please address any comments on this page to <A HREF="mailto:theo@theotodman.com">theo@theotodman.com</A>.</TD> <TD WIDTH="30%">File output: <time datetime="2018-08-13T13:22" pubdate>13/08/2018 13:22:55</time> <br><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_10/Notes_1010.htm">Website Maintenance Dashboard</A></TD></TR> <TD WIDTH="30%"><A HREF="#Top">Return to Top of this Page</A></TD> <TD WIDTH="40%"><A HREF="../../Notes/Notes_11/Notes_1140.htm">Return to Theo Todman's Philosophy Page</A></TD> <TD WIDTH="30%"><A HREF="../../index.htm">Return to Theo Todman's Home Page</A></TD> </TR></TABLE></CENTER><HR> </BODY> </HTML>