<!DOCTYPE html><HTML lang="en"> <head> <meta charset="utf-8"> <link href="../../TheosStyle.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"><link rel="shortcut icon" href="../../TT_ICO.png" /> <title>Note: Blog - Supernaturalism (Theo Todman's Web Page)</title> </head><body> <a name="Top"></a> <h1>Theo Todman's Web Page - Notes Pages</h1><hr><h2>Blog</h2><h3>Supernaturalism</h3><p class = "Centered">(Text as at 16/09/2007 17:22:34)<br><br>(For earlier versions of this Note, <a href="#TableOfPreviousVersions">see the table at the end</a>)</p><hr> <P><FONT COLOR = "0000FF">Spinoza is the classic test case here. He thought that there was just one substance, which he labelled  Deus sive Natura (God or Nature). He s variously evaluated as a  God intoxicated man , a pantheist, or an atheist. His philosophy is all wrong, of course, but it s a noble effort at escaping from Cartesian dualism. So, it may just about be possible to be a naturalistic believer, it you think the natural and supernatural coincide. (Sylvia s <a name="1"></a><A HREF = "../Notes_6/Notes_608.htm">Response</A><SUP>1</SUP>)<BR><BR>However, this is an unusual position. But it does raise a question about God s relationship to the world. God is said to have created the physical (and spiritual) universe(s), and to be distinct from it/them. He is also said to maintain them in existence. (Sylvia s <a name="2"></a><A HREF = "../Notes_6/Notes_609.htm">Response</A><SUP>2</SUP>). What does this mean exactly? Is God intimately involved with everything that happens  so that he actually causes all the horrors deliberately, or has he set things in motion and then retreated to a safe distance, tinkering with things as and when necessary? <BR><BR>Do you think Christians ought to have a view on these matters, or is this a no-go area? (Sylvia s <a name="3"></a><A HREF = "../Notes_6/Notes_610.htm">Response</A><SUP>3</SUP>). Answers to such questions will affect what we think a miracle is. If the laws of nature a reflection of God s faithfulness (as is sometimes said  though this is bizarre  are we supposed to imagine God thinking to himself, as the plane full of missionaries plummets out of the sky,  well I m only being faithful &  ?), then he s just as involved in the ordinary run of things, which are all miracles, just ones we re used to. But if God leaves the natural world to it, in normal circumstances, then we should see the particular hand of God in miracles. <BR><BR>The trouble with miracles is that we aren t keen to believe those of other religions, or noxious variants of our own. Too many miracles are a bad thing, as are the wrong sort. (Sylvia s <a name="4"></a><A HREF = "../Notes_6/Notes_611.htm">Response</A><SUP>4</SUP>)<BR><BR>Things I ve previously had to say on miracles are covered <a name="5"></a><A HREF = "../Notes_2/Notes_221.htm">here</A><SUP>5</SUP> and <a name="6"></a><A HREF = "../Notes_4/Notes_409.htm">here</A><SUP>6</SUP> (and probably lots of other places besides!).</P> <a name="TableOfPreviousVersions"></a><BR><HR><h3 class= "Left">Table of the Previous 3 Versions of this Note:</h3> <TABLE class = "ReadingList" WIDTH=700> <TR><TD WIDTH="20%" class = "BridgeCenter"><strong>Date</strong></TD> <TD WIDTH="10%" class = "BridgeRight"><strong>Length</strong></TD> <TD WIDTH="70%" class = "BridgeLeft"><strong>Title</strong></TD></TR> <TR><TD class = "BridgeCenter">14/09/2007 20:26:53</TD> <TD class = "BridgeRight">2036</TD> <TD class = "BridgeLeft"><A HREF = "Notes_381_39339852.htm">Supernaturalism. T1</A></TD></TR> <TR><TD class = "BridgeCenter">01/09/2007 14:21:07</TD> <TD class = "BridgeRight">1917</TD> <TD class = "BridgeLeft"><A HREF = "Notes_381_39326598.htm">Supernaturalism. T1</A></TD></TR> <TR><TD class = "BridgeCenter">12/08/2007 10:17:46</TD> <TD class = "BridgeRight">24</TD> <TD class = "BridgeLeft"><A HREF = "Notes_381_39306429.htm">Supernaturalism. T1</A></TD></TR> </TABLE> <BR><HR><BR><CENTER><TABLE class = "Bridge" WIDTH=950><TR> <TH WIDTH="25%">Note last updated</TH> <TH WIDTH="50%">Reference for this Topic</TH> <TH WIDTH="25%">Parent Topic</TH></TR> <TR><TD WIDTH="25%">16/09/2007 17:22:34</TD> <TD WIDTH="50%">381 (Supernaturalism)</TD> <TD WIDTH="25%"><A href ="../../Notes/Notes_3/Notes_370.htm">Supernaturalist versus Naturalist World Views</A></TD></TR> </TABLE></center> <hr><h3>Summary of Note Links from this Page</h3> <CENTER> <TABLE Class = "Bridge" WIDTH=950> <TR> <td bgcolor="#ffcccc" WIDTH="20%"><A href = "../../Notes/Notes_2/Notes_221.htm"><span title="Low Quality">Miracles</span></A></TD> <td bgcolor="#ffcccc" WIDTH="20%"><A href = "../../Notes/Notes_4/Notes_409.htm"><span title="Low Quality">Problems - Bible Miracles</span></A></TD> <td bgcolor="#ffcccc" WIDTH="20%"><A href = "../../Notes/Notes_6/Notes_608.htm"><span title="Low Quality">Supernaturalism. 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