<!DOCTYPE html><HTML lang="en"> <head> <meta charset="utf-8"> <link href="../../TheosStyle.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"><link rel="shortcut icon" href="../../TT_ICO.png" /> <title>Note: Write-ups - Olson - The Human Animal Abstracta Symposium (Theo Todman's Web Page)</title> </head><body> <a name="Top"></a> <h1>Theo Todman's Web Page - Notes Pages</h1><hr><h2>Write-ups</h2><h3>Olson - The Human Animal Abstracta Symposium</h3><p class = "Centered">(Text as at 18/12/2010 19:58:05)<br><br>(For earlier versions of this Note, <a href="#TableOfPreviousVersions">see the table at the end</a>)</p><hr> <P><FONT COLOR = "0000FF">This Note reviews a Symposium, recorded in the Brazilian journal <I>Abstracta</I>, convened on the 10th anniversary of the publication of <a name="10"></a>"<A HREF = "../../BookSummaries/BookSummary_00/BookPaperAbstracts/BookPaperAbstracts_130.htm">Olson (Eric) - The Human Animal - Personal Identity Without Psychology</A>". It consists of a full Special Issue of the Journal (<a name="11"></a>"<A HREF = "../../BookSummaries/BookSummary_02/BookPaperAbstracts/BookPaperAbstracts_2929.htm">Olson (Eric), Etc. - Abstracta Special Issue on 'The Human Animal'</A>"), which, after an Editorial, includes a brief <a name="1"></a><A HREF = "../Notes_8/Notes_835.htm">Precis</A><SUP>1</SUP> by Olson of his Book, followed by:- <ol type="1"><li>A <a name="2"></a><A HREF = "../Notes_8/Notes_836.htm">response</A><SUP>2</SUP> from Lynne Rudder Baker.</li><li>A <a name="3"></a><A HREF = "../Notes_8/Notes_837.htm">response</A><SUP>3</SUP> from Ned Markosian.</li><li>A <a name="4"></a><A HREF = "../Notes_8/Notes_838.htm">response</A><SUP>4</SUP> from Dean Zimmerman.</li><li>A replies to his critics from Eric Olson: to <a name="5"></a><A HREF = "../Notes_8/Notes_839.htm">Baker</A><SUP>5</SUP>, <a name="6"></a><A HREF = "../Notes_8/Notes_847.htm">Markosian</A><SUP>6</SUP> and <a name="7"></a><A HREF = "../Notes_8/Notes_848.htm">Zimmerman</A><SUP>7</SUP>.</li><li>A <a name="8"></a><A HREF = "../Notes_8/Notes_840.htm">complaint</A><SUP>8</SUP> from Lynne Rudder Baker. </li></ol>I m not 100% clear on how many of the above papers were presented at the Symposium itself. It looks from a footnote in Olson s reply to Baker that Olson had had a draft of Baker s paper on which to base his reply. So, I imagine that Olson s prcis and the above three responses were as delivered, but that Olson s replies have been worked up subsequently to the Symposium to take account of variations from the drafts. The closing remark in Baker s complaint makes it appear as though it was delivered in the Symposium as well. Since the symposium only lasted a day (14th April April 2007, in San Francisco), it wouldn t have been possible for Baker to write the paper on the spot, though maybe she delivered her response ex tempore and then worked it up a bit later. Alternatively, Olson s draft Replies could have been circulated beforehand. <BR><BR>The upshot of this Symposium is not much, really. Olson and Baker have still made no progress and talk past one another. Markosian s critique is somewhat left field. Olson acknowledges that Zimmerman s critique is the most penetrating. In my view, this is not a problem for Animalism per se, but with what Zimmerman calls Olson s <I>Master Argument</I>, his  Thinking Animal argument. As far as I can see, Animalism can survive in the absence of this dubious argument, though it looks from a brief squint at Olson s latest book  <a name="12"></a>"<A HREF = "../../BookSummaries/BookSummary_02/BookPaperAbstracts/BookPaperAbstracts_2710.htm">Olson (Eric) - What are We?</A>"  that he s not so sure. I presume this book was already in press by the time of the Symposium. In the Preface to that book he acknowledges his debt to Zimmerman, so I imagine Zimmerman s critique for this Symposium was hardly news. <BR><BR>See the following Terminological <a name="9"></a><A HREF = "../Notes_8/Notes_843.htm">Disclaimer</A><SUP>9</SUP> related to what I have to say in the above links.</P> <br><hr><h3 class = "Left">Printable Version:</h3> <UL><li>Follow (<A Href="Notes_Print/NotesPrint_834_5_P.htm" TARGET = "_top">this link</A>) for level 5.</li></UL> <a name="TableOfPreviousVersions"></a><BR><HR><h3 class= "Left">Previous Version of this Note:</h3> <TABLE class = "ReadingList" WIDTH=700> <TR><TD WIDTH="20%" class = "BridgeCenter"><strong>Date</strong></TD> <TD WIDTH="10%" class = "BridgeRight"><strong>Length</strong></TD> <TD WIDTH="70%" class = "BridgeLeft"><strong>Title</strong></TD></TR> <TR><TD class = "BridgeCenter">08/04/2009 08:41:17</TD> <TD class = "BridgeRight">2332</TD> <TD class = "BridgeLeft"><A HREF = "Notes_834_39911362.htm">Olson - The Human Animal Abstracta Symposium</A></TD></TR> </TABLE> <BR><HR><BR><CENTER><TABLE class = "Bridge" WIDTH=950><TR> <TH WIDTH="25%">Note last updated</TH> <TH WIDTH="50%">Reading List for this Topic</TH> <TH WIDTH="25%">Parent Topic</TH></TR> <TR><TD WIDTH="25%">18/12/2010 19:58:05</TD> <TD WIDTH="50%">None available</TD> <TD WIDTH="25%">None</TD></TR> </TABLE></center> <hr><h3>Summary of Note Links from this Page</h3> <CENTER> <TABLE Class = "Bridge" WIDTH=950> <TR> <td bgcolor="#b3ffb3" WIDTH="20%"><A href = "../../Notes/Notes_8/Notes_836.htm"><span title="High Quality">Baker - 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