<!DOCTYPE html><HTML lang="en"> <head> <meta charset="utf-8"> <link href="../../TheosStyle.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"><link rel="shortcut icon" href="../../TT_ICO.png" /> <title>Note: Animadversions - Papineau - Naturalism and the Mind (Theo Todman's Web Page)</title> </head><body> <a name="Top"></a> <h1>Theo Todman's Web Page - Notes Pages</h1><hr><h2>Animadversions</h2><h3>Papineau - Naturalism and the Mind</h3><p class = "Centered">(Text as at 18/12/2010 19:58:05)<br><br>(For earlier versions of this Note, <a href="#TableOfPreviousVersions">see the table at the end</a>)</p><hr> <P><FONT COLOR = "0000FF"><ol type="1"><li>Papineau was very brief. He had a short hand-out (<a name="1"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_15/Abstract_15931.htm">Papineau (David) - The Argument for Naturalism about the Mind</A>") and gestured towards some of the detail therein without labouring the points. </li><li>It s a mug s game trying to define Philosophical Naturalism. (I think) he mentioned one of his books (<a name="4"></a>"<A HREF = "../../BookSummaries/BookSummary_01/BookPaperAbstracts/BookPaperAbstracts_1324.htm">Papineau (David) - Thinking About Consciousness</A>"), which doesn t define it, and of which this talk is effectively Chapter 1 (<a name="2"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_04/Abstract_4582.htm">Papineau (David) - The Case for Materialism</A>"), Section 1.2. </li><li>He s interested in arguments and conclusions, not labels. Start with agreed premises  things all are agreed on  then valid arguments may lead to new knowledge. </li><li>Focus is on the nativism of human minds. The physicalist view is that human minds are not separate from the physical brain. It is not denied that there <U>are</U> minds, or consciousness  just that they are the same as brain-processes. We have two sets of co-referential terms. </li><li>See the hand-out (<a name="3"></a>"<A HREF = "../../Abstracts/Abstract_15/Abstract_15931.htm">Papineau (David) - The Argument for Naturalism about the Mind</A>") for the  no over-determination argument. There are no causal gaps. Multiple causation is possible  we take the counterfactual approach in such cases  eg. you can be killed by shooting and by lightening  but this is <U><A HREF="#On-Page_Link_916_1">not</A></U><SUB>1</SUB><a name="On-Page_Return_916_1"></A> the case in this situation. </li><li>What s the trick here? Why aren t we <U>all</U> physicalists if this simple argument is sound? The second premise  the causal closure of the physical  is a recent discovery. </li><li>The alternatives are ideas like Leibniz s pre-established harmony. </li><li>Physical effects can involve  action at a distance . Why does <U>this</U> undermine causal closure? Does this allow other  forces  mental or vital?</li><li>Conservation laws would be respected by these spooky forces  so  nervous energy would be convertible into kinetic energy. </li><li>But <U>now</U>, detailed research at the cellular level shows that there is nothing left over. </li><li><a name="5"></a>"<A HREF = "../../BookSummaries/BookSummary_00/BookPaperAbstracts/BookPaperAbstracts_139.htm">Popper (Karl) & Eccles (John) - The Self and Its Brain</A>" was considered cranky, even at the time. The physical realm has been seen to be causally closed since the 1950s.</li></ol></P> <FONT COLOR = "0000FF"><BR><HR><h3 class = "Left">In-Page Footnotes:</h3><a name="On-Page_Link_916_1"></A><U><A HREF="#On-Page_Return_916_1"><B>Footnote 1</B></A></U>: So, if I had not been shot, I would still have been killed by lightening. 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